20 Replies Last post: Feb 10, 2012 10:12 PM by Christian Posta  
Ryan W Newbie 14 posts since
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Feb 9, 2012 10:47 PM

intellij officially bloatware now

Does anyone even remember when intellij was fast?  It was a long time ago, but it sure was a glorious.  I use to brag about intellij.  I would smugly make fun of my friends for using eclipse or netbeans.  Well I am not laughing anymore.  This thing is a dog.

 

Sure intellij is great for small projects but it has become utterly useless for large projects.  It is the definition of feature bloat.  It crashes.  It is slow.  The great functionality that I once cherished is no longer usable because it is too slow.  The feature set is immense, but that doesn't help when it is unusable.

 

Please jetbrains get it together and clean up this bloated product!

Dmitry Jemerov JetBrains 11,708 posts since
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Feb 9, 2012 10:59 PM in response to: Ryan W
Re: intellij officially bloatware now

Please submit CPU snapshots as described in http://devnet.jetbrains.net/docs/DOC-192

Dmitry Jemerov JetBrains 11,708 posts since
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Feb 9, 2012 11:13 PM in response to: Ryan W
Re: intellij officially bloatware now

This is false. If you think that making false statements like this will help improve the product, I would like to let you know that it is not the case.

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Feb 9, 2012 11:34 PM in response to: Ryan W
Re: intellij officially bloatware now

Come on, really - IDEA 9 was somewhat slow, IDEA 10 was much better and 11 is really fast for me.

Obviously JetBrains is working a lot on performance. Also, obviously everybody has different use cases.

 

That said: It often helps to voice friendly reminders here in the forum and start a discussion about your more pressing issues.

 

On 09.02.2012 23:07, Ryan W wrote:

I have done this before, you guys never fix performance bugs, just add features.

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Feb 9, 2012 11:04 PM in response to: Ryan W
Re: intellij officially bloatware now

It would be interesting to compare with older versions. Maybe Jetbrains

could offer older versions, e.g. IDEA 6 or 7, for free?

 

Tom

 

Dmitry Jemerov JetBrains 11,708 posts since
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Feb 9, 2012 11:05 PM in response to: Tom
Re: intellij officially bloatware now

Hello Tom,

 

Older versions are still available for download and accept license keys of

newer versions, so you're welcome to compare them yourself. Given the availability

of Community Edition, we don't see any value in re-releasing older versions

of IntelliJ IDEA for free.

 

It would be interesting to compare with older versions. Maybe

Jetbrains could offer older versions, e.g. IDEA 6 or 7, for free?

 

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Dmitry Jemerov

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JetBrains, Inc.

http://www.jetbrains.com/

"Develop with Pleasure!"

 

 

 

john dop Newbie 12 posts since
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Feb 10, 2012 12:13 AM in response to: Ryan W
Re: intellij officially bloatware now

Ever since I got this new i7-2600, 16Gb, keeping indexes on a fast raid , idea starts in a matter of seconds -- less than 10 seconds for sure. I usually keep open at least two idea instances, projects are moderate to huge (multiple maven modules, if I look at mvn external dependecies they number with hundreds in external libraries section). at all times, all editor/compiling tasks are quick

 

i'm also runnning fedora 14.

 

hth,

john

john dop Newbie 12 posts since
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Feb 10, 2012 12:42 AM in response to: Ryan W
Re: intellij officially bloatware now

Right..I have w7 at home, a bit slower i7, but same ssd, 12gb ram, idea is sensibly slower on that setup..I would have also recommended trimming idea's vm.options (there are lots of threads on stackoverflow and other sites) save that, for me it never really worked. until the hardware change, that is.

 

on another note, you hear other dudes claiming that having 48 Gb of ram is better than 24Gb even though Xmx is 2Gb...

java developer Newbie 55 posts since
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Feb 10, 2012 1:19 AM in response to: Ryan W
Re: intellij officially bloatware now

hard to understand what you're talking about without your quantifying things in some way.XP 16 G of RAM,  NON-ssd drives very large project- idea community source and I would say things are faster from the  days of 6.0 etc.... one thing Intellij is NOT is slow in my experience.

java developer Newbie 55 posts since
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Feb 10, 2012 2:00 AM in response to: Ryan W
Re: intellij officially bloatware now

I think perhaps it's something in your config or machine. If that was universal then I'd be experiecing soething like it to, but my experience is just the opposite.

 

 

You own an SSD. You know these disks have terrible R/W properties once they start to get full. Could that be it?

 

I don't  think I can help you except to say that intellij has only gotten noticably faster with each release for me on the same machine ad our machines appear to be at least passably  similar. .

Christian Posta Newbie 66 posts since
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Feb 10, 2012 2:58 AM in response to: Ryan W
Re: intellij officially bloatware now

I have to agree with the rest of the folks that are pointing out you may be a one-off case, certainly not typical

You'll have to explain more about how "large" of a project you're working on.

 

Running IDEA 10.5 on either mac or windows has been very fast (mac faster it seems), and definitely faster that eclipse.

 

It's cool to vent, but don't expect any thing positive to happen. Explain your use case better otherwise most will consider this a "trolling" thread.....

Christian Posta Newbie 66 posts since
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Feb 10, 2012 3:21 AM in response to: Ryan W
Re: intellij officially bloatware now

I agree... that UX doesn't sounds very fun.

 

I don't think your experience with IDEA is very common. In some of the open-source projects I work with, I see easily 5K+ classes and IDEA functions just fine for me, and I would say by no means do I have outstanding hardware.

 

I know (at least where I am) the IT staff of the company tends to load a lot of crap that runs in the background.... im not saying that's the case, but maybe the JetBrains folks would be willing to work with you to analyze your resource usage and troubleshoot why you're getting such poor performance.

 

Do you have another computer you can try with, either a non-company computer, or one with a different operating system? To at least see whether it's truly the size of your project that has IDEA bogged down, or possibly something else?

 

Good luck....

 

Christian

Dmitry Jemerov JetBrains 11,708 posts since
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Feb 10, 2012 3:25 PM in response to: Ryan W
Re: intellij officially bloatware now

Please let me know what your YouTrack username is, and I'll review the bug reports you've submitted.

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Feb 10, 2012 9:36 PM in response to: Christian Posta
Re: intellij officially bloatware now

Christian & Ryan,

 

It isn't necessarily either Ryan's experience or the majority

experience. I'm in both camps as far as my subjective performance

experience goes on the same machine, same project. In many ways IntelliJ

has become faster into versions 10 and 11, but I do get ponderous

slowdowns and unresponsiveness here and there that anything I have

experienced since the IntelliJ early days. Overall faster but some ugly

to very ugly potholes. The performance is less consistent for me than in

the past even though the overall is faster when you aren't hitting a

pothole. I've not taken the time or watched for a pattern yet to begin

to capture.

 

Ryan -

Since you have consistent performance issues, it would help many

IntelliJ users, not only on your team, if you could get some current

snapshots on 11 or even better 11.1. I'll keep an eye open to do the

same myself.

 

Cheers,

Jon

 

 

 

On 2/10/2012 2:58 AM, Christian Posta wrote:

I have to agree with the rest of the folks that are pointing out you may be a one-off case, certainly not typical

You'll have to explain more about how "large" of a project you're working on.

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Running IDEA 10.5 on either mac or windows has been very fast (mac faster it seems), and definitely faster that eclipse.

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It's cool to vent, but don't expect any thing positive to happen. Explain your use case better otherwise most will consider this a "trolling" thread.....

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Christian Posta Newbie 66 posts since
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Feb 10, 2012 10:12 PM in response to: Jon Steelman
Re: intellij officially bloatware now

Jon,

 

Thanks for the info. I guess my comments were more related to Ryan's initial venting about possibly an extreme case. What you describe doesn't seem like what Ryan is experiencing, although you both mention the performance of the earlier versions. I guess the more we chime in with info, both good or bad, the more JetBrains gets feedback from their community and can help out.

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